How strong are Tygem stars?
How strong are Tygem (http://tygem.com/) stars?
Korean Tygem Go server announced a tournament between top 3 Tygem players and Korean Dream team: Cho Hunnyun, Lee Changho and Yoo Changhyuk.
The results are:
First game: Cho Hunhyun, 9-dan lost by resignation to "spiderman1"
Second game: Lee Changho, 9-dan lost his game by resignation to "GoldHammer"
Third game: Yoo Changhyuk, 9-dan lost by 6.5 points to "gurenarukl"
It's hard to believe it, but they played without any handicap! Each game gathered more than 5000 observers. It seems, that Tygem has lot of other good players, considering that these 3 masters are not undefeatable.
Their scores:
Spiderman1 , 9-dan on Tygem, W113-L51
GoldHammer, 9-dan on Tygem, W275-L60
gurenarukl, 9-dan on Tygem, W893-L360
Maybe the online Go is far from the offline Go, or do we need a special experience for playing Go on servers? How strong are Tygem star players? Do we know them in real life? There are so many questions. Chess players will also ask about the possibilities of computer help.
Unfortunately they don't have English client available.
Translated from korean Alexandre Dinerchtein
11 comments:
It's really unbelievable.The best professionnals players would have have been beat by amateurs?I think it is maybe other professionnals...But when they are really amateurs,i think it could be the best in the world^^!
Alexandre Dinerstein told about his life in Korea. He said that korean ama very strong. Becaise many of them are former insei. He also said that there is some ama whom afraid professinals :-) And they hardly sit down to play with this ama... :-)
Interesting enough, though I am sure playing through internet is not the same thing.
At high levels, the psychologycal pressure may be quite important, so having the real person in front of you really matters...
I don't think so on this. Its different for different people but personally I find it much easier to play face to face, then online. I am several stones stronger in person. I might be an exception, but that doesn't mean that these amateurs are any weaker for having been tested in only their online play.
The problem is that top pros don't want to spend maximum of their energy on recreational games against top amateurs, be it on the real board or on internet.
Let someone set up an internet tournament with big prizes on Tygem, and You will see what will happen.
You remember once that IGS organized internet tournament with substantional prizes, where pros were allowed. Of course, only one or two amateurs qualified in the top 16 group, but pros were the ones playing in the final four.
I bet the same would happen on Tygem.
Also, keep in mind that there are some inseis in Korea who can regularly beat some of the top pros in teaching games, but when they start playing serious matches, it becomes much harder than some people expect.
Beating a pro on internet is like something like amateur beating professional basketball player in the street basketball, but in fact the truth is that a pro won't play in full strength due to the risk of getting injured (like a Baduk pro is keeping his energy for pro matches, and use internet for recreation or testing ideas etc.).
To be strong and have moments of great inspiration is one thing, but to have consistent results against top players is something completely another - and that's what is surely necessary to win titles.
that's right, pros' often not playing seriously in teaching games and recreational games.
Take a look at IGS tournament the guy before me said and maybe in HnG. Hikaru never realised how hard it was to face against his sensei until he played sensei in Honinbo prelim round - real game's much different!
Here come the pro apologists: "They weren't even trying their hardest" "Playing on the internet is easier" "here's an example from a crappy anime" "Go professionals have magic 2 foot dicks that shoot go stones"
^ you're forgotten about the female pros
You do realize that all the Tygem players will be top pros too right? All young top pros play online these days. It is the only way to stay match ready and try out new openings before using them in an important match.
Lots of real-life pros play on Tygem. Heck, did you know Ke Jie, currently ranked number one in the world, said he has played more than 4000 games on Tygem! He wouldn't give his actual username on the server, but I suspect he's one of the 'stars' on the server. Ke also said lots of other Chinese and Korean pros play on Tygem.
For all we know, Lee, Cho, and Yoo were beaten by pros.
It's all psychological part of a game.
As a pro he tends to have his way against amateurs and underestimating an shadow opponent can cost a game.
Also playing on internet and at physical location can't be considered equal.
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